Coaches don't win games?!?!?!

[Burninator]

Leave it to the opposing coach to win. For all of you out there saying that Ellinger isn't losing games for us, here is Sigi Schmid winning one for the crew.

On Jason Garey's goal:
"It is a huge moment (for him). That is what he did in college, that is what he's here for and he had the one opportunity and he buried it. We talked about it before the game that sometimes (Real Salt Lake goalkeeper Scott) Garlick gives away the near post. Jason said when he got the ball and he looked up and it was open. He came to me after the goal and said, 'Coach you were right.'" --Sigi Schmid

I can see Ellinger: "Hey guys, this Busch kid sucks. I promise. Just put shots on frame and one has to go in, ok?" Or even better, "Bounces are going to start going our way, guys. I promise!!!"

What a joke. We need a real coach.

⚽ Geoff
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REGULATORS! Mount up!
1 point, 6 games: enough said.

[Deuce]

Ok did this need its own thread?
There are plenty of fire ellinger threads that this could go in.

[prk166]

I don't get the point. We don't know what Ellinger is saying in this case. And if the news on Garlick was a secret, Razoz's brace against him on opening day let the whole league know what SG's been doing in terms of positioning (or lack of it).

[Burninator]

All I'm saying is that Sigi Schmid, in my opinion (and his, apparently), directly influenced the outcome of last week's game. I don't know how it could get any simpler than that. As prk states, we have no record of Ellinger's teachings (I was just being sarcastic), but this was mainly offered as a counter to those that say "It's the players' fault, not Ellinger's." This was offered as an example of how coaches win games. That's all.

⚽ Geoff
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REGULATORS! Mount up!
RSL, I love you! Ellinger, time for you to go!

[fuegote]

an EPL perspective on a manager's influence:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/b/birmingham_city/4762319.stm

[Dadof3]

That article points out the exact concerns we have re Ellinger...lack of preparation for the players mentally, physically, and tactically.

[knowwonnose]

Originally Posted by fuegote

an EPL perspective on a manager's influence:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/b/birmingham_city/4762319.stm

Cunningham's claim is a bunch of hooey. The players, even if under-trained or played out of position have the ultimate opportunity to correct the coach's poor decisions as long as they are on the field. A good captain has the responsibility of stepping up in the void that the manager leaves.

While the coach cannot be left without responsibility, no player can claim that it is all the coach's faul, save the players who were not given time to make a difference.

[Dadof3]

Originally Posted by knowwonnose

Cunningham's claim is a bunch of hooey. The players, even if under-trained or played out of position have the ultimate opportunity to correct the coach's poor decisions as long as they are on the field. A good captain has the responsibility of stepping up in the void that the manager leaves.

While the coach cannot be left without responsibility, no player can claim that it is all the coach's faul, save the players who were not given time to make a difference.

Wow...I'm trying to think if I have ever disagreed with someone more.......nope.

The reason you have a coach is to give the team of individuals direction ... without said direction, the team will be rudderless. At the highest levels, the difference between wining and losing IS quality training, playing players in the best position to help the team succeed, and creating team tactics that the whole team will follow.

Last year the Galaxy floundered until the playoffs when SS listened to his veteran and changed the lineup to put Landon up front. Even though the team had leadership prior to that point, it took the coach getting on board and the team agreeing to the tactic for success to happen.

It is painfully obvious watching ReAL that at least some of the players are not on board as to what the team tactics (if any) may be. They play like disjointed individuals, and, because of that, are not having success, just like the team mentioned in the article.

[knowwonnose]

Originally Posted by Dadof3

Wow...I'm trying to think if I have ever disagreed with someone more.......nope.

The reason you have a coach is to give the team of individuals direction ... without said direction, the team will be rudderless. At the highest levels, the difference between wining and losing IS quality training, playing players in the best position to help the team succeed, and creating team tactics that the whole team will follow.

Last year the Galaxy floundered until the playoffs when SS listened to his veteran and changed the lineup to put Landon up front. Even thought he team had leadership prior to that point, it took the coach getting on board and the team agreeing to the tactic for success to happen.

It is painfully obvious watching ReAL that at least some of the players are not on board as to what the team tactics (if any) may be. They play like disjointed individuals, and, because of that, are not having success, just like the team mentioned in the article.

You really think players can play a whole season with NO blame. That's sickening. You can put nearly 40 games up and the players have no fault in the loosing. Can't be! No player can stand up and point the finger, much less the team captain. WOW! He, if anyone, is responsible for on-field mentality. He's the one who's responsible for picking down players up. He's the one who should be kicking the butts of out-of-shape players.

These guys are professional. As I read the article, I can't believe that one of the major complaints was conditioning. That's the responsibility of the coach for sure, but equally shared by each individual player and all players. If the coach sends you home and you haven't had a good workout, geeze, go for a run.

I'm not arguing RSL in this post, I'm talking about the article. If Ellinger is to go, and IF they discover that he was the major problem, you still won't hear anyone on the team say he was 100% of the problem. Players have to stand up and admit when they have underperformed and underprepared. In England, even more than in the MLS.

[soccerman]

Originally Posted by knowwonnose

The players, even if under-trained or played out of position have the ultimate opportunity to correct the coach's poor decisions as long as they are on the field.

This may be the dumbest thing anyone has ever said on this board.