Revenge of the Sith [R] comments

DadOf8 · 05-23-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SoccerPrime

I am also busy reading the novel version of Revenge of the Sith. Nope, the ending is still the same. Sorry 🙁

I saw the movie last Thursday. I was about halfway through the novel when I went to see the movie. I'm still reading the novel. I noticed that there are some scenes in the novel that weren't in the movie. The movie seems like a condensed version of the novel. That's the way it usually is though. The novel is nice because you can read what characters are thinking and why they make the decisions they do. A movie can't convey that information as easily. But as far as RoTS goes, it was a good movie. It was sad. I can't say that there was a single thing I took from it that made me happy. I'm going to have to watch Episodes IV - VI again just so I get that warm fuzzy feeling again. Still, I would recommend Episode III to anyone that hasn't seen it yet. But, if you haven't seen any of the Star Wars movies, then I would recommend you watch this one last. My favorite Star Wars movies in order of most favorite to least favorite are:

1. A New Hope
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. Revenge of The Sith
4. Return of The Jedi
5. Attack of The Clones
6. Phantom Menace

SoccerPrime · 05-23-2005, 12:27 PM

I saw this movie on Saturday and I loved it. Sure it was totally depressing but we knew this movie would be this way for almost 30 years. Pretty much whatever you think happens, does. Everyone either dies, turns evil or goes into hiding. Except for maybe Jimmy Smits, but we know he gets it from Tarkin in Episode IV, A New Hope.
There were a few contradictions, such as Padme's death during delivery (yes, Leia told Luke in RotJ that she remembered her). But overall Lucas was able to seamlessly connect both this movie and the other Original Three.

I was curious how others on this board felt about the film? Any comments?

colinkun · 05-23-2005, 12:45 PM

Mediocre at best. I grew up loving the original trilogy, but have not enjoyed the Episodes I - III all that much. There are some cool light saber battles, the movie is visually very cool, but all things considered, I probably won't watch this movie again.

Rover · 05-23-2005, 02:56 PM

Better than I expected, but could have been much better.

Maybe it's being older than 40, but Empire is still the best by a long shot.

As for RotS, I was bored to distraction by the first part of the film. Once Anakin changed teams, it really picked up. The last 45 minutes or so were as intense as anything in the six films, and outstanding filmmaking.

If only we hadn't had to sit through the rest.

DadOf8 · 05-23-2005, 04:15 PM

Is it just me or did anyone else leave this thinking that Lucas could have just done this movie and forgot episodes I and II? Episode III stands alone. About all I and II contribute to the story are the character development of Obi Wan and Anakin, oh yeah, and padding to George Lucas' pocket book. Lucas could have made this one into a 3 hour movie and spent the first hour showing how Anakin met Obi-Wan and Padme then spent the last two showing how he becomes evil.

I'm more interested now, in knowing what happens between Episode III and Episode IV. I want to know how Darth Vader and the Emperor take control of different systems. I want to know what the Emperor did to disolve the senate (as mentioned in episode IV).

Also, I know that Lucas is big into adding archetypes into his movies. I.E. some of his story line follows other famous story lines such as La Morte D'Arthur (Luke and Leia/Arthur and Morgan), the Bible (imaculate conception), Romeo and Juliet (forbidden love of Anakin and Padme). Did anyone notice the simularity between Darth Vader and Frankenstein? When Darth Vader is breaking free from his shackles I was thinking to myself, this looks like Frankenstein (He's alive!). I was just waiting for Darth Vader to be chased by an angry mob and get burnt to death, but he's already been burnt at that point. I think one of the reasons that Lucas' films appeal to us so much is due to his usage of mythological archetypes.

Czar Jake · 05-23-2005, 05:18 PM

Overall I liked episode III, but it still isn't in the class of the original trilogy in my opinion. One thing that bugged me were all the lapses of continuity. Here are two:

1. In Return of the Jedi, Leia says she remembers her real mother, right? She says she died when she was very young. The whole point of this exchange between Luke and her was that Luke at that point knew they were siblings and wanted to know about his mother. Well the two films aren't consistent here, one having Padme die at child birth and one having her die when Leia was very young, yet Leia was old enough to remember her.

2. The appearance of Chewbacca was stupid and unnecessary. It's fine to go to the wookie planet or whatever, but there is no reason to force Chewy into the story here. Revenge of the Sith makes it seem as though Chewbacca was one of the leaders of the wookies, and yet the very next episode he is introduced as the side-kick to a two-bit smuggler. They just forced him into the story here (not to mention he has got to be ancient by the time we meet him in A New Hope)...

A couple other things that bugged me:

A. Why did they wreck Yoda? It is lame when he is flipping all over and doing these acrobatic moves whilst fighting, but then he needs a cane to get around other times. Yoda was supposed to be the sage figure, who didn't NEED the acrobatic moves because he was so in tune with the Force. The only people who needed him to be acrobatic were the marketing team.

2. Didn't Anakin go from "What have I done?" to "I will do whatever you ask" too quickly?

D. Some of the dialogue was pretty bad, let's be honest. The worst was when they forced this line on Yoda: "Not if anything to say about it I have." ouch.

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ANYHOO with all that said, I liked the movie and it is without a doubt the best of the new trilogy, I'm just not ready to say it's anywhere near as good as the original trilogy, and some of the reasons why are above. The more I think about their continuity struggles and marketing issues, the more I think they should have made episodes 7-9 rather than 1-3.

Aero · 05-23-2005, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Czar Jake

2. The appearance of Chewbacca was stupid and unnecessary. It's fine to go to the wookie planet or whatever, but there is no reason to force Chewy into the story here. Revenge of the Sith makes it seem as though Chewbacca was one of the leaders of the wookies, and yet the very next episode he is introduced as the side-kick to a two-bit smuggler. They just forced him into the story here (not to mention he has got to be ancient by the time we meet him in A New Hope)...

One small point. The reason Chewbacca is Han's sidekick is because Chewie was captured by imperial slavers and Han rescued him so Chewie swore a life debt to him. So, it's not totally implausible that he ends up hanging out with Han.

And oh, wookies live a very, very long time.

But overall, I mostly agree with your points. Some things seemed very forced. I guess that's what he gets for waiting 20 years before doing the sequel/prequel.

Czar Jake · 05-23-2005, 09:33 PM

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One small point. The reason Chewbacca is Han's sidekick is because Chewie was captured by imperial slavers and Han rescued him so Chewie swore a life debt to him. So, it's not totally implausible that he ends up hanging out with Han.

And oh, wookies live a very, very long time.

Yeah, I figured that this was explained somewhere (in the novels I assume?) and I'm sure they can find a way to talk their way out of the other stuff too, but what I'm saying is that they didn't need to force that in there in the first place.

It sounds as though I'm a hater but really I did like the film, it blows away the other two prequels and some of it is really well done. But I absolutely love the original trilogy, so maybe I expect the new ones to be too much like the originals.

Merrill · 05-23-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Czar Jake

Some of the dialogue was pretty bad, let's be honest. The worst was when they forced this line on Yoda: "Not if anything to say about it I have." ouch.

All of the new trilogy's Yoda dialogue is overdone. Yoda doesn't do every sentence like that, just some. The bad ones were when Yoda followed a line like the one above with another line like the one above.

The original trilogy's Yoda lines are some of the most classic in movie history, but aparently new stuff like this just doesn't fly.

HibaIssa · 05-23-2005, 10:51 PM

I just got back from the movie. I really liked it, waaaay better than Episodes I and II.

I did notice how they were forcing Yoda’s dialogue; it was starting to get on my nerves a little. And also Anakin’s transformation seemed to happen way too fast, but really I don’t think it was as sudden as it seemed, you could start to sense it even in Episode II. I think they did that on purpose as almost a shock factor for everyone watching though. He’s seen as “good” and then boom he’s Darth Vader.

Overall a very good movie, I might have to go see it again.