RMC v. 1.2 (cRapids v. RSL Sept 21) [R]

[clarette]

I haven't been to the new Lumpy's, but I'm kind of over the whole bar thing...

I would feel like obligated to actually get dressed to go to Lumpy's, but nobody cares if I wear my wife-beater and do my hair all ghetto at Iggy's.

[SoccerPrime]

Originally Posted by JasonMa

First of all, I'm giving you rep for the Red Dwarf reference. If you look at the standings, it may very well be LA that gets the benefit of having RSL and Chivas in the West, not Colorado. If Colorado wins all 4 of it's remaining games then they will be in 3rd place and LA in 4th.

Actually, LA and Colorado should be thanking RSL and Chivas.
Because both LA and Crapids should be home watching the Metros, Wizs and Crew in the playoffs.

[JasonMa]

Originally Posted by SoccerPrime

Actually, LA and Colorado should be thanking RSL and Chivas.
Because both LA and Crapids should be home watching the Metros, Wizs and Crew in the playoffs.

How do you figure the Crew should be in over the Rapids? I'm assuming the point you're making is that the West got the advantage of RSL and Chivas being in their division, which gave them an almost-lock on the playoffs from Week 1, and the advantage of playing each of them 4 times instead of 2. I disagree with that reasoning, but at least it's logical. The problem is taht the Rapids and Crew have played the same number of games, and the Rapids have a 3 point lead. The Crew have played 4 games against expansion teams, the Rapids 5. So at the moment I'd say the Crew and the Rapids are at best equal.

[SoccerPrime]

Basically, the Crapids and LA get to pad their schedule with the lesser teams in in the Western. So do Dallas and SJ, but they also get to pad their schedule with Colorado and LA, so that means something.

Lets see how the Colorado record would be if they took on New England, Metros, Chicago and DC 2 more teams each?

[Aero]

Originally Posted by JasonMa

How do you figure the Crew should be in over the Rapids? I'm assuming the point you're making is that the West got the advantage of RSL and Chivas being in their division, which gave them an almost-lock on the playoffs from Week 1, and the advantage of playing each of them 4 times instead of 2. I disagree with that reasoning, but at least it's logical. The problem is taht the Rapids and Crew have played the same number of games, and the Rapids have a 3 point lead. The Crew have played 4 games against expansion teams, the Rapids 5. So at the moment I'd say the Crew and the Rapids are at best equal.

And the Crew are in last place in the East and out of the playoff picture so I think you just made his point for him. Without the expansion clubs to beat up on in the West, the Crapids wouldn't be close to making the playoffs. They would have been last place in the East. Not only do you get to play them 8 times, but you also get to compete with them for a playoff spot. Columbus had neither of those luxuries. Columbus also won every game against the expansion teams and Colorado hasn't. Columbus is a better team than the Crapids. The Crapids just got lucky by being in the West this year with both expansion teams otherwise they probably don't make the playoffs.

[SoccerPrime]

Originally Posted by Aero

And the Crew are in last place in the East and out of the playoff picture so I think you just made his point for him. ...

Oh contrare!
http://columbus.crew.mlsnet.com/MLS/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20050925&content_id=43867&vkey=news_coc&fext=.jsp&team=coc

With the Wiz and Metros losing last week, Crew may still sneak into playoffs.

Crew have a losing record, basically tied with Crapids in points and they are in the East. How do you figure that says the Craps are better than the Crew?

[Aero]

Originally Posted by SoccerPrime

Crew have a losing record, basically tied with Crapids in points and they are in the East. How do you figure that says the Craps are better than the Crew?

That's not what I said at all. Did you read my entire post or just the part you quoted? 😛 I specifically said that the Craps are worse than the Crew.

Originally Posted by Aero

Columbus is a better team than the Crapids.

Where did you get the idea that I think that the Crapids are better than the Crew?

[JasonMa]

OK, now you're really stretching. With this logic the East + SJ should be the only teams in the playoffs. With an unbalanced schedule one division is always going to be slightly favored over another. I'm willing to accept the belief that the Western teams had an edge over the Eastern teams because they got to play RSL and Chivas twice as many times and compete for a playoff spot with them. But you can't extrapolate a whole new season based on that. We have no idea how things qould have played out with KC in the West and no expansion teams. Different travel schedules, different injury patterns due to less games, etc. could lead to a completely different set of results. The fact is though, that there's a decent chance that LA is the team that would have missed the playoffs in the West and not Colorado, had there been no expansion teams. Once you start comparing unbalanced schedules (Western teams vs. Eastern teams) you're comparing apples and oranges.

[Aero]

Originally Posted by JasonMa

OK, now you're really stretching. With this logic the East + SJ should be the only teams in the playoffs. With an unbalanced schedule one division is always going to be slightly favored over another. I'm willing to accept the belief that the Western teams had an edge over the Eastern teams because they got to play RSL and Chivas twice as many times and compete for a playoff spot with them. But you can't extrapolate a whole new season based on that. We have no idea how things qould have played out with KC in the West and no expansion teams. Different travel schedules, different injury patterns due to less games, etc. could lead to a completely different set of results. The fact is though, that there's a decent chance that LA is the team that would have missed the playoffs in the West and not Colorado, had there been no expansion teams. Once you start comparing unbalanced schedules (Western teams vs. Eastern teams) you're comparing apples and oranges.

Figured you'd say something like that. Columbus is a better team than the Crapids. They have almost the exact same points and have played better competition to get those points. If you play higher quality opponents yet still have almost exactly the same number of points it's pretty easy to see that you are a better team. Unless you're a Crapids fan of course. There is no getting them to ever see reason.

[the Bardguy]

.......

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Aero again.