ABC4 Stadium Poll

RSL_Fan · 08-15-2006, 12:43 PM

ABC Channel 4 Poll:

Are you happy about Real Salt Lake's stadium deal? It is about half way down on the page.

Currently the YES votes trail the NO votes 45% to 54%.

Jim Umber · 08-16-2006, 07:09 AM

I voted...

several times.

Donk · 08-16-2006, 01:34 PM

This really doesn't surprise me. About everyone I have talked to thinks that the public money used is from something like property taxes. I would honestly be ed too if it were the case, but the reporting of this whole issue has left that point unfortunately unclear for a large group of people. Thankfully the funding went through so not much to worry about anymore on that end. I just find it funny that the Yankees are getting over $200 million from New York government entities and very few are complaining. Is that because it's baseball and the Yankees or is it a reflection of the differences between Utah taxpayers and New York taxpayers?

Balanceut · 08-17-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Donk

This really doesn't surprise me. About everyone I have talked to thinks that the public money used is from something like property taxes. I would honestly be ed too if it were the case, but the reporting of this whole issue has left that point unfortunately unclear for a large group of people. Thankfully the funding went through so not much to worry about anymore on that end. I just find it funny that the Yankees are getting over $200 million from New York government entities and very few are complaining. Is that because it's baseball and the Yankees or is it a reflection of the differences between Utah taxpayers and New York taxpayers?

The difference is because it is baseball and New York. We are talking Soccer, which is a game played by foreigners, as far as most Americans (and Utahans) are concerned. Not an *American* game. And, we are talking about Utah, which is possibly the most politically conservative state in the nation. That translates to: All taxes are inherently evil. Period. New Yorkers don't like taxes, but tend to view them from the perspective of the worth of services provided for the taxes spent.

GeNioS · 08-17-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Balanceut

And, we are talking about Utah, which is possibly the most politically conservative state in the nation. That translates to: All taxes are inherently evil. Period.

Do you f'ing live here? I'm just going to pretend I never read this......

Balanceut · 08-17-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GeNioS

Do you f'ing live here? I'm just going to pretend I never read this......

Yes, I've lived her for about 15 years.

GeNioS · 08-17-2006, 10:03 PM

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Yes, I've lived her for about 15 years.

So unless you've been living in a cave for those 15 years you know that we are taxed in this state up the a**. Clearly, the political pricks up on the capital don't feel like taxes are "inherently evil."

In fact, it's time for some serious clarification on the proper use of the word conserative. Althought this is a republican dominated state, somehow the people here (in ignorant bliss) have failed to understand that being politically conservative is not the same as being morally conservative.

If this were a truly conservative state, we would have a lottery and other revenue mechanisms, that while perhaps not morally acceptable by the religous right, would allow us to pay less "inherently evil" tax. This is the ONLY state in the union, the ONLY one, that allows not a single form of legalized gambling. Political conservatism? Yeah right.

Idaho is a conservative state. Oh yeah....they have lotteries and indian casinos to suck millions of dollars out of our economy and into theirs day-by-day. So although they also have a large population affiliated with the religious (freaks....er...) right, they haven't clouded their judgement away from political conservatism.

We are taxed up the a**, and the control of the religiously conservative hiding behind a screen of political conservatism is what is really "inherently evil." And for you to buy into it and actually profess we live in a conservative state and therefore feel all tax is "inherently evil" is ridiculous.

bordelais7 · 08-17-2006, 10:31 PM

Numbers?

Utah's combined total Local-State-Fed tax burden by percentage ranked 34th of 50 states in 2005.

GeNioS · 08-17-2006, 10:47 PM

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Numbers?

Utah's combined total Local-State-Fed tax burden by percentage ranked 34th of 50 states in 2005.

Send me this study.

Old Ska · 08-18-2006, 07:03 AM

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/taxesbystate2005/index.html

Utah is taxed more heavily than most people in Utah think, I believe. I live in a state that is more heavily taxed than Utah is, but we get great education, excellent public services, and much more for that money. The infrastructure and public services in Utah do not match up with how heavily the state is taxed.