Nice Job Rogue Cavalier Brigade Members

[the Bardguy]

yeah, but what about colonel vs. kernel?

[Rover]

Originally Posted by the Bardguy

yeah, but what about colonel vs. kernel?

As always, blame the French. They came up with all of these ranks.

[Thatsportsfan]

Of course the wimpy french. 🙄

[Old Ska]

Originally Posted by Rover

Hey Rogue Cavaliers,

It's Provost Marshal, not Marshall. And no hyphen.

I am fairly certain that the English (as in England, not the English language) usage of this was Provost-Marshall. Always 2 'l's and in the 17th and 18th centuries usually with a hyphen. Not sure how the Brits use it today, or if they do. In my experience it is inconsistantly written with or without one 'l' in the American military today even in formal documents (I have seen both recently), but I think you are right that it is "supposed" to be written with one 'l' in the American military, and definately with no hyphen.

I was thinking English Civil War.

Forgive me, I don't mean to act like I can trump your military knowledge, because I can't. But I am a language geek, and history of English is something I have researched and taught a great deal.

[Rover]

Originally Posted by Old Ska

I am fairly certain that the English (as in England, not the English language) usage of this was Provost-Marshall. Always 2 'l's and in the 17th and 18th centuries usually with a hyphen. Not sure how the Brits use it today, or if they do. In my experience it is inconsistantly written with or without one 'l' in the American military today even in formal documents, but I think you are right that it is "supposed" to be written with one 'l' in the American military, and definately with no hyphen.

It is one "l" in American usage. I wasn't aware you were using British sources for you information when I wrote my original post, although that makes some sense for an group using "Cavaliers" in their name.

Technically, however, the British Army didn't form until after the true Cavalier Period (English Civil War) and the ranks are not truly consistent from what was used by Prince Rupert and the boys.

In any case, if you are adopting modern British ranks then the hypens are fine. If you want archaic ranks, I'm going to have to do some more digging, since the army with the best organization from the Cavalier Period was their opponent and the eventual victors--Cromwell's New Model Army.

For reference, here are the NATO ranks from Wikipedia:NATO Ranks

And here are the US insignia from DoD (although the Marine abbreviations are wrong--go figure): US Military Ranks

I'm sure all this isn't even close to the most important stuff for you to be concerned about as you organize, but if it helps I'll do what I can.

[Old Ska]

Originally Posted by Rover

It is one "l" in American usage.

Just for fun I googled "Provost-Marshall" and "army.mil" . 13,900 hits. Same thing with one 'l' in Marshall, about 18,000 hits. Of course that means nothing...but I found it interesting that a bunch of the 2 'l' Marshalls were in Europe (makes sense, right? confusion with European usage) and Ft. Leavenworth. The Leavenworth thing is interesting to me because I was there a few months ago and I remember seeing that and thinking it looked archaic, but maybe that is how the military used it (they use other archaic ranks as well). But they must just send people who can't spell or look up ranks to Leavenworth.

But one 'l' is absolutely how the U.S. military says it should be written, Rover was dead on with that.

[Rover]

Originally Posted by Old Ska

But they must just send people who can't spell or look up ranks to Leavenworth.

That's hilarious, when you consider that Ft. Leavenworth is home to the Army's Command and General Staff College!

And the military's max security prison.

Go figure.

[Old Ska]

Originally Posted by Rover

That's hilarious, when you consider that Ft. Leavenworth is home to the Army's Command and General Staff College!

And the military's max security prison.

Go figure.

I knew you would get a kick out of that comment...

[the cup]

Guys, forgive me for asking about something that is way off topic. (But you guys know alot about the military it sounds like)

I remember from what must have been either the late 70's or early 80's, NBC used to have a Saturday sports show that went up against ABC's Wide World of Sports. Anyway, I remember seeing a military competition where a certain number of soldiers would move parts of a canon over an obstacle course, I think they even used horses for some of it, and then they would assemble the canon and the first to fire off a shot was the victor.

I can't remember if it was being broadcasted from here in the US or if it came from Britain.

Anyway, over the years I've brought this competition up for one reason or another but nobody has ever known anything about it.

You guys know anything about it?

[Rover]

Originally Posted by the cup

Guys, forgive me for asking about something that is way off topic. (But you guys know alot about the military it sounds like)

I remember from what must have been either the late 70's or early 80's, NBC used to have a Saturday sports show that went up against ABC's Wide World of Sports. Anyway, I remember seeing a military competition where a certain number of soldiers would move parts of a canon over an obstacle course, I think they even used horses for some of it, and then they would assemble the canon and the first to fire off a shot was the victor.

I can't remember if it was being broadcasted from here in the US or if it came from Britain.

Anyway, over the years I've brought this competition up for one reason or another but nobody has ever known anything about it.

You guys know anything about it?

Sorry--no go for me.

But it sure sounds like something the Brits would do