Keep Ellinger

[AreliusIV]

Originally Posted by Scholesy

That's the biggest load of crap I've read since the Trib on saturday, Sunday, Monday ... fine ... every time I read the trib. 'Ramone' you're so full of it your eyes are brown. I suspect somewhere there is a village missing it's idiot. I have been to practices so many times and have stood next to Coach E and BJ and Peter and have heard the drills, seen the drills, watched the drills, heard tactics discussed and explained. I assume you have heard of Bob Paisley? One of the most succesful managers of all time anywhere in the world; he often said nothing at half time, he said if the players couldn't tell they played badly then they weren't real players, he felt he was a manager not a babysitter.

If you're a player then you are the very reason RSL is losing, you should be ashamed - Jerry Sloan calls people like you locker room lawyers and says the only thing to do with them is fire them as fast as you can. If you are a staff member then loyalty is obviously a word that doesn't translate in your dictionary, your wages are paid by the team you lie about. If you're a fan pretending to have some inside knowledge then you should grow up and instead of lying for kicks to makeyourself feel important or useful you should get a job or at least lie about something that isn't so easily challenged. Either way stand up and be a man and give us your name - unless that is you're ashamed already, are lying, or don't have the bollocks to tell your stories to the players, coaching staff or FO, face to face - man to man Coach E. I bet not. Ramone spelled backwards ... C..O..W..A..R..D. Smuck.

Alrighty then....

[Old Ska]

Originally Posted by Aerick

I'm not sure we can trust Ramone, if that's even his real name! :jawdrop:

Of course that is not the person's real name. But all indications are that Ramone should be trusted. Think of Ramone as the answer to Knowonenose.

[bordelais7]

FWIW, on AM700 w/ Riley yesterday afternoon, Chris Klein said that Ellinger went off on the team after the game on Saturday, irate with the lack of effort and hustle. He said that 2 players in particular took the brunt of the attack (read between the lines -- AW and JC), but that if Coach would have had the possibility of subbing out 11 players at the half he probably would have done it.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Aerick

OK. Here's a scenario:

You're at work, and based on the poor performance of the team that you lead on a particular project, your job is being questioned at the higher levels of management, and by your clients. Despite what you feel are your best efforts, certain members of your team are screwing up and causing the whole project to go down in flames. You can't really fire them, because they're under contract, and management would have a really hard time finding appropriate replacements in such a short time span and that could make an impact before the projects deadlines.

When asked by clients and management about the projects performance, what do you say?

Hopefully you have documentation of your efforts and the efforts of your team members (or lack thereof). If you lack this information, there is no credible way to distance yourself from the failure. This is one of the stickier parts of leadership and management. I would say that more often than not a manager or leader is directly responsible for the performance of his or her team.

As for the project, it sounds like if you can't get the team working together, it's time to call the project off and focus on restarting, restaging, or just shelving the project altogether. Whether you're a part of the picture or not, well that's up to your superiors. Bottom line is, Pastorino and Checketts will have to decide whether the players are at fault or if Ellinger is.

For some of us fans, the fault lies pretty obviously with Ellinger. We may be wrong. I still feel that Ellinger can do more. We have way too much talent to be sucking it up as bad as we are. As Scholesy likes to point out, we aren't terribly well-informed. I think we should all remember that, whatever viewpoint we are advocating. Even taking this into consideration, I still feel that boycotting and requesting that Ellinger either get his team in gear one way or another or lose his job is the right thing to do. My wife feels the same way. We are no longer going to pay for what we have seen, for the mediocrity that frustrates us to no end.

No one else here has to do what we are doing. I like all of this discussion, and even though we disagree on many points, I think we all agree on one thing: we want a REAL team. We want to win, and we want to at least make it to the playoffs this year. Gonna happen? Don't know.

For all you "Support Ellinger" folk out there, what do you think needs to happen if we lose to the Crew this weekend? Yeah they have talent and they beat the Galazy at home, but I truly doubt that they outclass us by any serious margin in terms of talent or teamwork (although their coach is pretty good 😉 ). In my opinion, we should walk all over the Crew this weekend like we should have walked all over RBNY. I hope we don't lose, and I hope we don't tie. If we do lose, I think that may be the straw that breaks RSL's back.

⚽ Geoff
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REGULATORS! Mount up!
CRUSH THE CREW!

[knowwonnose]

Originally Posted by Old Ska

Of course that is not the person's real name. But all indications are that Ramone should be trusted. Think of Ramone as the answer to Knowonenose.

You're right, my real name is Noonetoes. Actually, I'm not sure what you're saying here, but the fact is, I wouldn't trust anyone's facts on a board like this until I checked them out through other sources. Heck, I could be Andy Williams, or Coach Ellinger, or Bruce Arena's personal assistant, or a soccer nut that reads and watches a ton of stuff, or some fat slob that doesn't even know how pronounce "Reel" Salt Lake.

The fact is: I know that I'm not an insider. I know I've communicated with insiders. I know that the facts even from communicating with insiders are often tainted, but Ramone's claims were pretty specific and Scholesy did a great job of putting him in his place.

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by knowwonnose

or some fat slob that doesn't even know how pronounce "Reel" Salt Lake.

Hey!!!! Them's fightin' words!

If I wanna say THE REEL.... I can....

I am Dick Nourse Dammit!

[clarette]

Originally Posted by Deuce

Hey!!!! Them's fightin' words!

If I wanna say THE REEL.... I can....

I am Dick Nourse Dammit!

My grandma used to have a crush on Dick Nourse.

Love,
I Feel Too Sucky To Debate Today

[knowwonnose]

Originally Posted by Deuce

Hey!!!! Them's fightin' words!

If I wanna say THE REEL.... I can....

I am Dick Nourse Dammit!

This is going to sound stupid, but I actually miss Dick Nourse. try watch the new in Philly for a while. 25 minutes of reading off location of the days murders and shooting.

As for you sitting behind your computer repeating over and over the words "THE REEL", go for it. It makes for a funny image in my mind.

[prk166]

Originally Posted by Scholesy

I have been to practices so many times and have stood next to Coach E and BJ and Peter and have heard the drills, seen the drills, watched the drills, heard tactics discussed and explained.

And here's a picture from one of those moments 😁





Sorry, it's just that the end result is still the same whether one buys into a outrageous claim of "they never cover tactics" or the more realistic scenario where they do cover tactics. The end result is game after game the defense has keystone cops moments (a bigger mess up than just missing a mark) and other things like "crashing the net" on free kicks still isn't happening. We have the most expensive defender in the league, one of the most expensive defenses in the league even sans Eddie Pope and yet they have the worst defense in the league (11 GA). This is a team that is still bleeding goals and at that at a pace worse than last years. If you think the last time they won was frustrating, the last time they have a clean sheet was July 23rd when they beat Dallas 3-0 @ RES. Before that? 2-0 over FCD back on June 4th. They have a veteran defense, an improved midfield and teams are still having better luck with RSL than they'd have a brothel after winning the lottery. IIRC they have yet to blank a team on the road. So in the end, I don't really care what Ellinger is or isn't doing. It's painfully obvious they're not working. I can see that both in the play on the pitch and in the statistics.

That said, I can see why people defend Ellinger. Too often fans get caught up in the crap logic of "anything is better". Too often fans take joy in getting a coach canned when the coach doesn't live up to their expectations. Look at the yahoos in LA. Sampson wins the double and they're ready to have his scalp. Or look at Columbus. The fans never liked Andrulis yet he got them their only supporters shield (IIRC). They may not have been the best of coaches but, hey, that's life. Look at Sunderland, god knows why they fired Mick. I don't liek the guy but it was painfully obvious that team was screwed before the season started. Instead of biting the bullet and keeping a good coach that got them to the prem, keeping their squad together, and coming back stronger (they need time to pay down big debts), they fired McCarthy. And since firing them, they're record is even worse. What was the point? It didn't make anythign better. In fact, I'm willing to bet they'll be floundering for a few years in the fizzy pop going for gaffer to gaffer.

I'm more than happy to point out that as a coach, Ellinger sucks and should be destroyed. But the time to fire him was last october, not now. If things aren't going well come august that's when the question should begin. But for all we know the new team (cuz it really is; only 3 starters on opening day were with the team last year) could pull together and put together a string of wins and ties that make the team look good. It could happen. Some big guns in teh MLS will go gone for the WC and RSL's offense has been scoring fairly consistantly (only 1 shutout in 5 games; much better than last year). If the defense can stop a few more, the team hold on to the ball a bit better, the team could be have a nice run of form.

[SpiffCoug]

Originally Posted by prk166

[img]IIRC they have yet to blank a team on the road.

We blanked the MetroStars in our very first game 0-0!!! I think that was the only one.